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# 311
On: May 7, 2021, 23:56 (UTC), Written by Woots

 

After all thoses months of pve channel request you still dont even get the actual logic ( i'am sorry to not be sorry, but : LOL ) :

Oh I understand very wel. You are the one who dont understand a shit. I very well understand that you dont like imposed gameplay. But thats the game play ofthe game. Having PK option is that. BDO is a game with imposed option. You dont like it, leave, because we like it and we want it. Its our way to deal with griefers. Probably you are on of them, thats why you hate it so much.

 

No one can make you lifeskill, nor impose life skill on your character, therefore, you will never be bothered by life skill if you dont want to do it.

Its not the case for forced pk, as anyone can bother you at anytime with a forced pk you dont want ( considering a situation when forced pk is not desired )

That alone is a vaste difference and make the logic you """"have understood"""" totaly off. ( the only think to fix here is your understanding )

Actualy there is imosing. By the devs with events. Yestarday a friend got 2 bilions from lifeskill event. So if I want that silver I have to do something I dont like. Same is with quest for inventory space for example. I have to do something that I dont like. SO you are wrong again, I dont go in forums like you to demand a server and quests without lifeskilling. I just know what the game is and accept the modes I dont like, because there are people who like those modes. Im not selfish like you.

So indeed, another kind of channel is requested to :

1- let forced pk lover keep forcefully pk each other and not be bothered by players disliking that and not playing along their pk game. 

2- Players disliking forced pk will not be bothered by seeing someone try to forced on them something they dislike and that bring absolutely no added value to their BDO experience

 

= it "destroy" nothing as the only issue here is your understanding. Not what i'am saying.

It destroys. Simple situation that wont be posible with PvE server:

A guildie who is PvE player dont like PvP and avoids it get PKed twice without reason. I go to kill the PKer and 15 later we have war. We had two hours of non stop PvP. A lot of fun. That scenario wont be posible with PvE server. The feeling to protect someone, to fight for casue. But you are too dumb to understand it and too selfish to admit it.

 

Wrong

TRUE

 

Wrong again, that's what many of you like to say. I only make you face "your" own contradiction.

On top of the "BDO is a sandbox" therefore following thoses, everyone do what they want" so have different goal & consideration.

As personaly, i never considered the "clear speed spreadsheet" simulator as something relevant to do, therefore, your "its the only BDO goal" already fall apart. 

You seem to missunderstand things, i said it belong to the possibilities to nullify the pk effect.

I dont speak about what i personaly do, as its not the subject

Its apsolutely about you, you fail to understand the things again, you even said it. I even made it red. Its all about you but you are so afraid to admit that you are wrong. Or you are just so stupid that you cant make a proper responce anymore.

 

Then what you call "karmabomber" also play the game the way its designed :) And players disliking forcedpk also play the game the way its designed since PA teach to new players a BDO without forced pk with OIivia & seasonal.

Again : Your consideration isnt the truth

Again you show you twisting the truth. Or you are simply so dumb and cant understand simple truth. Karmabombing was aknowledged by the devs as exploit and they said they gona work around it. They said that there gona be bounty system in the same interwiew. Now we have bounty system. So crearly they work on problems even if its slow. And you are wrong again

Yup like forced pk is useless for any games systems to functions, yet somes guys like you try to make it look like so necessary when its not at all :)

 

Oh now you say otherwise ? kekw.

Dont change my words. Doing it so often makes you look like not very smart person you know.

I will say it again, since you clearly cant understand it. PvP and PK can change the amount of xp and silver income. Xp and SIlver are coming from PvE right? You see now ( I know you see it, but wont admit it)

 

( please tell me you play dumb on purpose ) that's actualy pretty insane to not distinguish the difference between :

The inherent pve system functionment  ( amount of mobs, amount of mobs spawned, amount of xp/sp give per mob, loot table.; etc etc etc, just to speak about grind spot )

And what the player get using the pve system : you dont change the system using it the way its designed to be used.

I can ask you exatly the same. Are too dumb or play as one ? I will write it again for you:
PvP and PK can change the amount of xp and silver income. Xp and SIlver are coming from PvE right?

 

Like you dont change the apple tree functionment by gathering apple, it will remain the same appletree that will produce the same kind of apple.

Its the same thing here, and you unability to understand that idfference is actualy .. wth ?

Yea but if I broke your you want be able to gathere those apple. Or if someone cut the tree there is no more apple. You start to admit that you are wrong already?

 

good lord, how you understand things is more than worrying, i hope you really play dumb on purpose otherwise, i'am truly sorry for you

Dont be sorry about me. I type hardly from laugh. Becasue you are so funny in your stupidity to not understand simple things and try to twist them to suits you. You are at the point that is clear for every reader how desperately you try to convince yourself that you are wright. But when everyone says you are wrong and you tell to everyone that are wrong and stupid, its time to sit and think if you can. But at this point I truly believe you are not able to do that process.

 

A conception have no reason to be imposed, especialy when its not necessary for the overall system to function, and when it only depend on a personal liking

This is what i'am really saying, and its vastly different.

Yea and you right. But tahts your rule. And gues what, BDO dont follow your rule. Because BDO have OwPvP and PK. And the DEVs want it that way. And PvE income depends on interaction with other people because limited resources - grind over, pvp, pk.

 

As you seem too pepega lets use a easy exemple :

A car dont need to have gold plated rim to function, but if its your personal conception and cant imagine a war without gold plated rim, whatever that's your thing.

YET there is NO REASON you should impose gold plated rim to anyone else, only because that's your conception.

 

capiche ? or still too hard for you to grasp such simple thing ?

But if you dont like the golden plate you dont buy the car. Or you go to car dealer who sell cars with only gold plates and start to convince them to sell you car without golden plate? You cant be so stupid.

Still a personal conception to want to play with / use a forced pk beeing bound and necessary for strictly zero other pve systems

Soo picking a game with forsed PK bound to its PvE function is personal conception, but want it change/removed is not. Hmmm kid you are realy dumb.

 

 

actualy i dont attack, its just underlining the general pk lover problem. Dont over estimate yourself please, you are the center of no world, nothing is directed at you with that.

So prove that words belongs to me and you. Becasue when you refuse to accept what 10 people told you and blame all of them to be liers and stupid, and twisting they words to suits your ideas is very definition of ME ME EM complex. So yea you over estiate yourself think that you are the center of the world. Well you are not. You are just a 12 year with wrong opinion.

Yet when i see how you understand somes things with your answer ( that is actualy directly directed at you ), i think the problem is way deeper than that.

When i see how you are unable to understand simple things, i'am not surprised you see apple when i say orange.

And i dont "admit" thing when they are incorrect, i admit thing when that's a reality, you still dont get that i not childish like most of your pk lover buddy and i dont play your crappy dodgingbones or mr strawman or Mr "quote in answer too hard for my brain" games.

Again you described perfectly yourself. I realy wonder why you do it so often, but this time tike a time and reed it. Maybe if you read your own words you will understand who you realy are.

 

 

You wouldnt mind if i skipped the rest of your answer, the "i try to write an attack" isnt interesting and change nothing, you still actualy had, like all your others buddy absolutely no arguments and demonstration, nor exemple to contradict what i've said previewsly

Yes I had them, like averyone else. Your unability to understand or pretend that arguments dont exist is worrying. Im not sure if its psychological problem ot pure stupidity. But you need to hold yourself.

 

 


 

The answers are in blue text. And since you start your loop with "you have no arguments" I plan not to be involved in it. Your ability to twist and ignore other people words when you dont like thme, makes converstions with you pointless. I shouldve listen to Bleach. You are lost cause.

And this forumneeds some works to be done.

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# 313
On: May 9, 2021, 15:53 (UTC), Written by Bleach

Remember, this is the guy that denies something is written by PA, even when you show him proof it was written by PA, because PA decided to use the name "wiki"

Yea the same guy who provided a link to prove that devs dont like PK. In the same link , it was interview, the devs said that they desicned spots with limited mobs to make a concuest aka PvP. He later say that this is not official too. Imagine.

Anyway, any impressions from bounty system ?

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Last Edit : May 10, 2021, 09:12 (UTC)
# 315

About the bounty, I'd wait for the official translation to have a definitive opinion but as far as I understand, it means increased risks for a PK and a consequence for mob feeding through infamy if, as the translation on BDFoundry describes it, your infamy value rise when a player dies in the 10 seconds following your attack.

 

Basically, there have been a work on pk and mob feeding, but if they stop the work here it will basically have no more meaning to kill or mob feed as you will barely be able to get any benefit from it, not even the spot, if all sheriff's on the channel are warned and jump on you.

And if there is no more pk nor mob feed, the sheriff system will become useless too .

XD

 

If there's no mistake in the translation, it's time to work on the last step, body throw. 

Last Edit : May 10, 2021, 09:19 (UTC)
# 316
On: May 10, 2021, 09:03 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

About the bounty, I'd wait for the official answer to have a definitive opinion but as far as I understand, it means increased risks for a PK and a consequence for mob feeding through infamy if, as the translation on BDFoundry describes it, your infamy value rise when a player dies in the 10 seconds following your attack.

 

Basically, there have been a work on pk and mob feeding, but if they stop the work here it will basically have no more meaning to kill or mob feed as you will barely be able to get any benefit from it, not even the spot, if all sheriff's on the channel are warned and jump on you.

And if there is no more pk nor mob feed, the sheriff system will become useless too .

XD

 

If there's no mistake in the translation, it's time to work on the last step, body throw. 

 

I think you are missing the point of these systems. From my limited understanding they are being put into the game to highly discourage wanton force PK and mob feeding. This is their middle ground solution for people wanting PvE only servers and those highly against it. 

 

It just means nonmutual PvP is going to be discouraged. I highly expect for them to expand on this appoarch. But don't worry all of the mutual forms of PvP will be high encouraged. It just means PK griefers will no longer be able to freely grief their victims with impunity.

Last Edit : May 10, 2021, 10:01 (UTC)
# 317
On: May 10, 2021, 09:19 (UTC), Written by FearlessMe

 

I think you are missing the point of these systems. From my limited understanding they are being put into the game to highly discourage wanton force PK and mob feeding. This is their middle ground solution for people wanting PvE only servers and those highly against it. 

 

It just means nonmutual PvP is going to be discouraged. I highly expect for them to expand on this appoarch. But don't worry all of the mutual forms of PvP will be high encouraged. It just means PK griefers will no longer be able to freely grief their victims with impunity.

No just Grindspot griefers will be able to get away with impunity.  SwordArtOnline (EU) guild was one of those guilds that would run around on and tag all the Mirumoks people were leveling on so that the spawn trees would explode because "they thought it was funny".  You either had to dec them when your Karma ran out and have someone kill them as they came up to the tree every time or swap servers.  This isn't about "wanting to PvP" ths is about not wanting to be griefed by players that are going to exploit the system "because they think it's funny".

 

 

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# 318
On: May 10, 2021, 09:19 (UTC), Written by FearlessMe

 

I think you are missing the point of these systems. From my limited understanding they are being put into the game to highly discourage wanton force PK and mob feeding. This is their middle ground solution for people wanting PvE only servers and those highly against it. 

 

It just means nonmutual PvP is going to be discouraged. I highly expect for them to expand on this appoarch. But don't worry all of the mutual forms of PvP will be high encouraged. It just means PK griefers will no longer be able to freely grief their victims with impunity.

I don't think it will stop here though. If the translation is OK, it seems they were planning a "season system" and rewards for the sheriff system ; but if the system stays like this, it will quickly discourage any pk, even against pure pve griefers like the ones Werbs mentioned, making the whole system useless.

It doesn't even go the way of a middle ground solution, as players will be able to ignore any other presence on the grind spot even more, and force outgrinding as the only viable way to contest a spot. Reducing the interest for mid tier grinding classes in the process. 

 

In short, as it seems to be, the more players partipate in this system, the quicker it will kill itself. 

 

If I add in this reasoning the previous announcement Devs made about "karmabombing", I can only guess that there will be a next step because the sheriff system only gives more power to this kind of potential griefing.

 

It would have been better to do everything at the same time, but if I had to do it in 2 or more steps, I would have done it the same way. First you reduce the freedom of the powerful, then you balance the possible resistance of the weak.

 

 

... I'm only guessing, don't quote me on that though... 

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Last Edit : May 10, 2021, 16:44 (UTC)
# 320
On: May 10, 2021, 12:09 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

I don't think it will stop here though. If the translation is OK, it seems they were planning a "season system" and rewards for the sheriff system ; but if the system stays like this, it will quickly discourage any pk, even against pure pve griefers like the ones Werbs mentioned, making the whole system useless.

It doesn't even go the way of a middle ground solution, as players will be able to ignore any other presence on the grind spot even more, and force outgrinding as the only viable way to contest a spot. Reducing the interest for mid tier grinding classes in the process. 

 

In short, as it seems to be, the more players partipate in this system, the quicker it will kill itself. 

 

If I add in this reasoning the previous announcement Devs made about "karmabombing", I can only guess that there will be a next step because the sheriff system only gives more power to this kind of potential griefing.

 

It would have been better to do everything at the same time, but if I had to do it in 2 or more steps, I would have done it the same way. First you reduce the freedom of the powerful, then you balance the possible resistance of the weak.

 

 

... I'm only guessing, don't quote me on that though... 

 

In a struggle between the strong established in weak upcomers. There really isn't a middle ground outside of letting them each have their own space. Even in Eve Online the MMO that is infamous for toxicity. Made it so people PKing in High Security space was pretty much just blown up by the NPC police. The Devs of that PvP Sandbox MMO also made it, so it don't just take you a hour or two to get your standings back to positive. But it took you normally days to weeks to do so. So that the criminal lifestyle became a lifestyle. Where global criminals was forced to do business in Low or No Security space.

 

You either make the penalties so harsh that the strong PK griefers think twice about doing it.Like in all of the other PvP oriented MMOs outside of BDO. Or you allow for the strong to practically freely have their way with the weak. Because the penalties against them are too small. Like it is now in BDO.

 

To remind you, PKers still have the option of going to Arsha channel. If they want to freely mass PK and feed players to NPCs. On the other hand weak players have no where to go to avoid to PK griefers. Call it what you want but PK griefers in this game have most of the power in their court. And they sure love to abuse it. Hence again is why these two systems are coming to the game.

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