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Ranger deserves a buff
Feb 26, 2021, 01:16 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Apr 12, 2021, 05:15 (UTC)
# 21

So I thought of a skill/buff that would benefit rangers and figured I could just post here to see if it would get good reviews. Basically it would just be a trap.

 

The new skill could have the animation of call of the earth, so others could see it. But it would be something where it would provide a 20-30% movement, attack, and cast speed slow to 10 targets for 10 seconds. The trap duration could be 10 seconds with the cooldown of the skill being something like 20 seconds. 

while I originally always liked the idea of rangers having more mobility, the fact of the matter is we just won't keep pace with some of the current classes in mobility and future classes that could potentially be even more mobile due to power creep . So instead, I feel the better option would be to have an answer for if they get too close. With this skill, succession rangers would have an answer for the fast-paced melee classes while awakening rangers could play around this trap to potentially gain the upper advantage in a 1v1 setting. This skill would also have use in large scale where the succession ranger again can better stay protected and keep their team/guild better protected in the backline while awakening rangers could do this or either trap the enemy backline to hinder tactical retreats. 

Anyways, that's all I got - thanks for coming to my TEDtalk. 

Last Edit : Apr 26, 2021, 15:13 (UTC)
# 22
On: Feb 26, 2021, 02:10 (UTC), Written by Easay9

Succession ranger is honestly fine  its just a huge gear check. If you talking about Awakening then the main thing they need is faster animations on thier skills. Like using natures tremble one of our hardest hitting skills  is most of the time a death sentence if anyone is near you. Ranger is a tank buster and shes great at it evasion means nothing to us with the right AP and accuracy in a build but we are twigs in exchange for this ability. Which is a fine trade off. But most of our skills given we are a twig in  Awakening hold us in place. speed up the animations  and maybe buff damage on a few skill slightly and she will be in a perfect place. but as is your a  range support class that when jumped has a grab and can burst them down but at the cost of all your mobility to do so while also being a twig. Awakened ranger has a kit that has skills to deal with every class in the game. got a iframing assassin spam knockback arrows into them then knock them down. got a tank up in your face grab and nuke em. Witchard warp in grab and nuke them. Rangers not as weak as people make her out to be but her mobility is horid when using skills so if you miss the assassin your trying to kill will just warp around you at the speed of light and nuke you or any class really almost every class if not every class has more mobility then us fact!

a gear check?? tell me how gear get you protected when you want to shoot a stupid Q on a nodewar where the other guild has 15 wizs. Tell me how to trade damage without getting cced by a random skill. Because yes, wizs have cc/slow in every skill. You even get cced if you randomly hit a nova around there. I have 305 ap accuracy and feel most classes can make the same or more damage I do, while they are more agile and have more cc.

Last Edit : Apr 26, 2021, 15:20 (UTC)
# 23
On: Feb 27, 2021, 17:25 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

My GM plays a ranger she at almost 400 DP. I watch her stream and see major issues with ranger DP scaling. Cause even at 400 DP my GM is almost one shot by people with 280 AP which just shouldn't be possible. I'm not saying ranger shouldn't be squishy but when people can one shot you when your at 400 DP something is clearly wrong under the hood. She even had to tag a witch just to grind at turo since even at 400 DP she not comfortable fighting thoses mobs since she been half HP by a single attack by the elite mob that spawns there.

I don't think the dp scaling is the problem... you are a range class, if you get cced you should die. The problem is there are other classes that don't follow this rule (ninja eva, hasha eva, wiz) and that is why feels so unfear when a 400dp ranger gets one shotted. I feel the problem with rangers is that she doesn't have the kill potential she should for being so unprotected. I feel there are no rewards for being unprotected, wiz ninja and sorc can do the same or more damage than you do while their survival is much better. And it would be nice to have a cc that is not the skill you use to run away

Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 10:25 (UTC)
# 24

i feel ranger is hard to disengage. its like if you are in, then you are in, dead or alive. that is why we play deffensive. waiting for opponent to come to harrash us. waiting for opening and then CC/grab.

Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 10:57 (UTC)
# 25

geared rangers are absolutely smashing it in group fights if left unchecked and/or if terrain favors them.

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Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 12:22 (UTC)
# 26

Ranger does deserve a buff, the class has no protections, her CC's are lackluster, dmg is not high at all if she does not have ridiculous amount of AP, DP scaling is hilariously bad and she has bad defense scaling across the board against other classes. The class has really low mobility comparing to good classes and the mobility is cost heavy on resources too. 

In capped pvp activities the class is completely useless, since she has no dmg at all no matter how much ap or human dmg u put on her she refuse to do any sort of dmg and thats because she could only utilize crit dmg modifier on few skills and has no other significant modifiers like for example hash that apply crit + air dmg on most of his skills with float, similar to ninja and kuno.

 

Gear check class that is playable only at 700 gs + in uncapped largescale pvp, and there are still classes that do better than her there. 

 

Dont even get me started on awakening, the class is only good in 1v1 against old classes, cant even compete with any top tier ones like lahn, ninja, tamer, sage or nova. Anything beyond 1v1 and she is even more useless than succession, with small dmg and unprotected combos she is not able to SA trade or kill people without getting CC'ed and killed in 2 skills herself. The frontguard is useless in this configuration, far too small for how squishy the class is too. 

PVE wise the class is bottom 5 in performance according to garmoth statistics. 

 

People who says she is in good spot probably play different game. Just because you see one or two guys playing the class does not mean she is fine, nobody plays her. 

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Ddfrhtg
Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 12:22 (UTC)
# 27

not saying they are in great spot generally but they actually do as advertised in their content.  if a ranger targets you in group fight and u cant move away u r prolly dead.

 

 

then again, maybe its more about the fact that MY class cant move that much. :D :D :D 

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Last Edit : Aug 24, 2021, 12:37 (UTC)
# 28
On: Aug 24, 2021, 12:21 (UTC), Written by Seeryus

not saying they are in great spot generally but they actually do as advertised in their content.  if a ranger targets you in group fight and u cant move away u r prolly dead.

 

 

then again, maybe its more about the fact that MY class cant move that much. :D :D :D 

Almost all classes have the ability to CC from range or close distance fast enough. Ranger biggest dmg is all unprotected, just CC her. 

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Last Edit : Aug 27, 2021, 20:16 (UTC)
# 29
On: Aug 24, 2021, 12:16 (UTC), Written by balans

Ranger does deserve a buff, the class has no protections, her CC's are lackluster, dmg is not high at all if she does not have ridiculous amount of AP, DP scaling is hilariously bad and she has bad defense scaling across the board against other classes. The class has really low mobility comparing to good classes and the mobility is cost heavy on resources too. 

In capped pvp activities the class is completely useless, since she has no dmg at all no matter how much ap or human dmg u put on her she refuse to do any sort of dmg and thats because she could only utilize crit dmg modifier on few skills and has no other significant modifiers like for example hash that apply crit + air dmg on most of his skills with float, similar to ninja and kuno.

 

Gear check class that is playable only at 700 gs + in uncapped largescale pvp, and there are still classes that do better than her there. 

 

Dont even get me started on awakening, the class is only good in 1v1 against old classes, cant even compete with any top tier ones like lahn, ninja, tamer, sage or nova. Anything beyond 1v1 and she is even more useless than succession, with small dmg and unprotected combos she is not able to SA trade or kill people without getting CC'ed and killed in 2 skills herself. The frontguard is useless in this configuration, far too small for how squishy the class is too. 

PVE wise the class is bottom 5 in performance according to garmoth statistics. 

 

People who says she is in good spot probably play different game. Just because you see one or two guys playing the class does not mean she is fine, nobody plays her. 

Ranger does deserve a buff, the class has no protections, her CC's are lackluster, dmg is not high at all if she does not have ridiculous amount of AP, DP scaling is hilariously bad and she has bad defense scaling across the board against other classes. The class has really low mobility comparing to good classes and the mobility is cost heavy on resources too. 

 

I agree with you that the class needs buffs, but I disagree with you about she has no protections, you state that the frontal guard gets melted and the super armor is useless which is the case but most of the time you should be in I-frame which you didn’t mention. Again, I’d like to mention that you should be using WindStep to ESSx2 timed correctly to the second hop to another wind step for continuous iframe. From there you can go into SA and FG for damage negation/protection until Windstep is off cooldown again( 3 seconds). Additionally after using ESS you can use the Iframe from the Second ESS at the when the cooldown is at 1 second to do 3 ESS Iframes in a roll followed by a WindStep. You are right that her defense scaling is bad which is true and also needs a buff so that SA and FG becomes useable.  The mobility definitely is an issue and I’d recommend a 20-40% buff to movement speed naturally to the class. Especially if you have to chase in PvP and its annoyingly slow during PVE.

 

 If you really need to get away from someone as a ranger use Wind Step away from them, use ESSx2 timed after the second hop of ESS and then use Windstep again. Ess will give them a movespeed debuff of 25% which makes them slower to catch you, and can stiffen them. And all they can do is throw slows at you which is a good thing because it extends your ESS Iframe time and your windstep time which allows your cooldowns to reset and give you more time for iframes and then when the time comes for the 1 second cooldown for ESS you use the 3xESS. This also gives you a good amount of time to heal from potions.

 

In capped pvp activities the class is completely useless, since she has no dmg at all no matter how much ap or human dmg u put on her she refuse to do any sort of dmg and thats because she could only utilize crit dmg modifier on few skills and has no other significant modifiers like for example hash that apply crit + air dmg on most of his skills with float, similar to ninja and kuno.

 

This does need to be buffed and also another issue that may be affecting this is that the Ranger class does much less damage to other classes. I think Ranger does around 95% to most of the classes which is pretty low in comparison and affects her significantly as she takes more damage from most classes too and is reliant on the damage to succeed. Her Critical chance is also quite low in comparison to most other classes as well and she should be given more critical chance buff in her skills. In terms of damage modifiers the deves really need to give range attack back attack, especially pve or increase range damage to be on par with back attack without it. Ranger does have down attacks which is what they utilize the most. Their main floating skill is vine knot which is an air attack and does do good damage with Heavenly Knot. To effectively use this skill you have to use Waltz of the Wind and go through the opponent behind their backs and cc them with a knockback and then use Vineknot. This does a KB and a Float for a 4 second cc. you can follow this up with will of the wind or other skills which will trigger the down attack.

 

Gear check class that is playable only at 700 gs + in uncapped largescale pvp, and there are still classes that do better than her there. 

 

 You can beat many classes with 600 gs. I usually fight people with 630-650 with only 600 gs. Again you have to utilize that Iframe to make up for that gs difference. Ranged cc from long distance, Iframe and grab up close. Ap is the main focus for Ranger. You don’t need Accuracy gear as you can get 40-50+ accuracy modifiers. Dp gear can be delayed for pvp due to good iframe skills which will get better with rework. But Id recommend dp for PVE.

 

Dont even get me started on awakening, the class is only good in 1v1 against old classes, cant even compete with any top tier ones like lahn, ninja, tamer, sage or nova. Anything beyond 1v1 and she is even more useless than succession, with small dmg and unprotected combos she is not able to SA trade or kill people without getting CC'ed and killed in 2 skills herself. The frontguard is useless in this configuration, far too small for how squishy the class is too. 

 

I don’t like Succession because it’s a gear check and I don’t have the gear for it yet, but Awakening is not as bad as you think it is. In terms of all the classes you mentioned, you just need to utilize your iframes more effectively to deal with them. Lahns can grab you and kill you quickly, they are mobile, have Iframe and SA skills with short cooldowns, that almost never leave gaps, their flight skills are only SA but acts like an Iframe, IDK WHY ranger cant shoot them down while their in the AIR in range of attacks. Should be addressed by the devs.

 

 Again Iframe is Essential to fighting Ninja, no matter your DP. SA is ineffective against their grabs which is quick, and many of their skills are quick enough for them to outmanuever you and cc you while you are in an attack animation. I Highly suggest only fighting them defensively with Iframe rotations and protected skills. Ninjas are a hard counter to Ranger so its not going to go well no matter what. On the positive note, Ranger can reach 40-50+ accuracy modifers to fight evasion builds.

Rangers should counter tamers easily if you know what you are doing. Avoid their Heifang, their Iframes have many gaps you can counter with range, and ranger iframes are better. Watch for their grab skill and use Windstep and Grab for counters.

Awakening Nova shouldn’t be an issue especially if you use iframes to counter their dps. Their mobility isn’t a huge issue, and because they only use SA you can grab them easily. Watchout for their twilight dash which can bypass fg. Succ Nova is more challenging to deal with but it shouldn’t be a problem as well. Make sure you use downsmash more often to defeat them.

 

You need Iframes to deal with the Sage's damage, its alot easier now that they have been nerfed too. Long range fights are good for ranger, mid range is as well, for close range becareful of their range. (as an Awakened Ranger),

 

PVE wise the class is bottom 5 in performance according to garmoth statistics. 

Ranger needs buffs in PVE. Nough said.

 

People who says she is in good spot probably play different game. Just because you see one or two guys playing the class does not mean she is fine, nobody plays her. 

I don’t think we play a different game, but I do think that you have more to learn about the class. I don’t mean this with any disrespect, you do bring up valid points that Ranger needs buffs on, but there are a few things that you need clarification on from your argument for  the class.

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