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GUIDE: Phases of PvP Learning
May 9, 2021, 20:14 (UTC)
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Last Edit : May 11, 2021, 00:23 (UTC)
# 11

overall, a great guide for bdo pvp combat, although few things i think you should fix/add:

On: May 9, 2021, 20:14 (UTC), Written by Zeroden

[1] Crowd Control (CC): CC effects are attacks or abilities that cause players to lose control of their characters. In BDO, CC is broken down into several categories and sub-types. It is important to note that CC's which share the same sub-type cannot be chained together. The difference between CC effects within the same category are the animation you experience, and the duration of the actual CC applied. CC's within the same sub-category also share the same resistance stats, so a Stun/Stiffness/Freezing resisting applies to all three. 

a correction about what i highlighted with red color, you can actually chain cc the same type of cc (with inner global cd of 0.5-1 second cd), example - stiff > stiff > stiff, knockdown > knockdown, float > float, stiff > stun > stun etc.

now, few things i think you should add to complete the guide:
1) cc value - how much cc you can chain on an enemy before he become immune for 5 seconds (like max cc value is 2 points, stiff being the only cc with 0.7 points value while the rest of them are 1 cc point).

2)cc extenders - down smashes and air smashes and how they work.

3)damage modifiers - down attack, air attack, back attack - how you apply them and their estimated damage increase value

4)the uniqueness of shield classses Q block - being both an FG and SA as long as they hold their Q block.

Last Edit : May 11, 2021, 18:00 (UTC)
# 12

Great guide! I'm definitely mostly still in the phase 2 aspect with most classes but slowly moving into phase 3. There are still several classes I don't know too well, but that is changing with time due to the amount of hours i've spent pvping in BA and out of it. You learn pretty quickly what to avoid and whatnot. Though sometimes with Sorceress in particular I feel like a phase one player when i fail a combo. Even though i've practiced it a 1000 times LOL. The hardest thing about going from Mystic to Sorc is that I HAVE to know my classes weaknesses now. With Mystic all i had to do was rotate SA and protections and then grab. With Sorc I am at my most vulnerable when i go for a CC, so if I don't realize they are protected I open myself up to being cced. This is the main thing i've been struggling with against more skilled players recently, with lesser skilled players i can catch them pretty easily. But if i fight someone that knows their class and mine i'm gonna have a hard time. So now i've been focusing on staying protected as much as I can while going for a CC and waiting for them to make a mistake while playing neutral; and in the meanwhile i'm burning stamina if i'm not careful and dying if i run out of stamina. Its all part of the process of learning though. 

Overall as someone who's played since late 2017, Everything stated in this guide I pretty much already knew. But its good to know what "phase" you are in as a player vs other classes. Or sometimes even your own class mirror. 

 

Last Edit : May 12, 2021, 03:29 (UTC)
# 13
On: May 10, 2021, 08:29 (UTC), Written by Werbs

Name 1 match that was a total "gear check", all the gearlets were already weeded out.  Also what kind of moron thinks that a player with thousands of hours shouldn't have an advantage over someone who created their character 5 minutes ago in a progression MMO?

 

Take your hating ass back to ESO, no one wants your worthless input anyways.

 

As for your "Imagine a Competition without equalized gear?" comment, why don't you join the Trial Tournament that comes after this, and show us exactly how "skilled" you are.  I doubt you'd make it beyond the first round.

You can't, unfortunately. Trial tourney is only for people who entered already and made it past prelims.

Last Edit : May 12, 2021, 21:21 (UTC)
# 14
On: May 10, 2021, 20:46 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

He likes to say "You need 3k+ hours to be 'PvP viable' in BDO".  Without even knowing what he means by that, 3k active hours, even at a measily 100mil per hour = 300 billion silver.  This doesn't even count passive income.  100 mil per active hour is a massive downplay.  And even downplaying it this much, 3k hours??  *Shrugs*

 

Full PEN armor and weapons (7 X 16 billion) + 1 TET Disto + 1 TET Tungrad Ring + 1 TET Ogre Ring = about 130 billion silver, give or take.  Free V Capotia Belt, Earring and Belt are free, so are not calculated.

 

So, if Full PEN armor + weapons, full TET yellow accessories (1 Disto, 1 Cap. earring, 1 Tungrad Ring, 1 Cap. ring, 1 Cap. belt, 1 Ogre/Laytenn) isn't "PvP viable" then IDK what is.  In order to get this build, is less than half of what he projects, and speaks volumes.

Where do you buying PEN armors for 16B? It's starting at 20B on EU.
Not like it would matter, full PEN armor still like oneshot...

 

Also 100m looks low for you, but not many new player makes 100m with quest gear without scrolls...

 

Also this guide is more like a list of cc types.

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Last Edit : May 12, 2021, 21:48 (UTC)
# 15
On: May 11, 2021, 18:00 (UTC), Written by Cassosphere

Great guide! I'm definitely mostly still in the phase 2 aspect with most classes but slowly moving into phase 3. There are still several classes I don't know too well, but that is changing with time due to the amount of hours i've spent pvping in BA and out of it. You learn pretty quickly what to avoid and whatnot. Though sometimes with Sorceress in particular I feel like a phase one player when i fail a combo. Even though i've practiced it a 1000 times LOL. The hardest thing about going from Mystic to Sorc is that I HAVE to know my classes weaknesses now. With Mystic all i had to do was rotate SA and protections and then grab. With Sorc I am at my most vulnerable when i go for a CC, so if I don't realize they are protected I open myself up to being cced. This is the main thing i've been struggling with against more skilled players recently, with lesser skilled players i can catch them pretty easily. But if i fight someone that knows their class and mine i'm gonna have a hard time. So now i've been focusing on staying protected as much as I can while going for a CC and waiting for them to make a mistake while playing neutral; and in the meanwhile i'm burning stamina if i'm not careful and dying if i run out of stamina. Its all part of the process of learning though. 

Overall as someone who's played since late 2017, Everything stated in this guide I pretty much already knew. But its good to know what "phase" you are in as a player vs other classes. Or sometimes even your own class mirror. 

 

Thanks Cass. The intention of this post was to define some basics, and help players identify themselves in their phases of learning.

 

It's a summarization guide, and I'm glad it was helpful. 

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Zeroden
Last Edit : May 13, 2021, 02:26 (UTC)
# 16
 
On: May 12, 2021, 21:21 (UTC), Written by PlasticDK

Where do you buying PEN armors for 16B? It's starting at 20B on EU.
Not like it would matter, full PEN armor still like oneshot...

 

Also 100m looks low for you, but not many new player makes 100m with quest gear without scrolls...

 

Also this guide is more like a list of cc types.

NA lol.  Not one-shot, that's for sure.  One shot is full TET.  2 shot, maybe, depending on your opponent's AP/accuracy/class.  1 combo, sure.  Go into a zerg of 10+ people, sure.  But I haven't been literally one-shot, 100 - 0 by one ability, in a while.  DP shouldn't be downplayed.  But is just IMO.  The only people I know who don't care about DP are people on the forum and my Ranger / Archer friends lol.

 

Also, 100m per grind hour can be tough for new player.  Let's say 70m per hour, then.  Marie Cave, Polly's, Manshaums, easy 60 - 70 mil per hour and new players can enter these zones quickly using Oasis gear / Narchillian / Tuvala.  Even at this hourly rate, you're still looking at way less than the figures Fearless presented.

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