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Please stop telling people to quit BDO
May 15, 2021, 11:27 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 7, 2022, 17:16 (UTC)
# 171
On: Mar 7, 2022, 17:10 (UTC), Written by Kenshin210

Of all classes succ nova? You must not have enough ap to melt her block :o
Shes one of the lower tier classes rn... Probs the worst example you can give tbvh. But it seems you have low gear , probably not balance... More everyone you have vsed are overly geared 

Edit:There is a massive balance issue for classes because PA just overly buffed everything instead of just tweaking the damage slowly. Movement speed and bigger aoes were needed on older classes and same with movement . But damage seems to be over inflated rn

I wanted to point out the flaws in the BDO's combat system.

I updated my previous post for more details.

Last Edit : Mar 11, 2022, 06:12 (UTC)
# 172
On: Mar 7, 2022, 16:41 (UTC), Written by Prokaizer

Succession Nova comes and say "you either leave or i PK", i have no way to guard break, she can grab me and 100/0.

Any class with 24/7 i-frames like Sorc "dfs or i PK".

Ranged classes with 300+ AP "leave or i PK", i have 290+ AP too, but it is completely useless, because i die before i even get close to them in SA dash.

Sure i will enjoy BDO that way.

At least in classic MMO games you can go to dungeons with your guild, here it is a solo game.

Grinding for the infinity pots and everytime a monkey with a broken meta class comes at me, i have to leave because the game has limited resources to fight for lol.

Easy kills are only low geared people or people who have no idea how to play their class.

Any fair skill / gear fight and i am at disadvantage.

Why should i suffer from disadvantage in every single duel?

You see in any competitive online or single player game, when you create a problem, you have to also create something that counters it.

When a person can sit 24/7 on SA block and i have no way to pierce damage him or guard break him or anything, that is a garbage system.

When the only way to counter a Grab is with my Dash i-frame that is almost always on cooldown, that is a garbage system.

The damage is so insane that your Block is completely useless in this game (for Maehwa), other classes have x3 stronger Block like Guardian for example.

Superman is weak to cryptonite, if i am about to fight the freaking superman i need the cryptonite, in BDO the Developers team straight up saying "no you will fight him without cryptonite".

I am tired of the PvP scene of this game and hence why most people quit playing BDO after a few months after they realise how the game works and that it is a clown parade in terms of balance.

I was in that place too. And I am sure others were too in that number. Yet I refused to get on the forums and whine all day and do nothing, because of PK or DFS. Instead I'd try to think first and try out something. Adapt and become better in time.

Now. From what you're writing, you're trying to tell me, that there's no other way to avoid conflict, but PK or DFS. What if I tell you that there is? Did I get this correctly? And I can tell you the story here too as an example.

I am not going to discuss the classes.

Last Edit : Mar 7, 2022, 17:42 (UTC)
# 173
On: Mar 7, 2022, 17:29 (UTC), Written by Krastonosezs

I was in that place too. And I am sure others were too in that number. Yet I refused to get on the forums and whine all day and do nothing, because of PK or DFS. Instead I'd try to think first and try out something. Adapt and become better in time.

Now. From what you're writing, you're trying to tell me, that there's no other way to avoid conflict, but PK or DFS. What if I tell you that there is? D I get this correctly? And I can tell you the story here too as an example.

I am not going to discuss the classes.

That's not the point though.

The problem is not that there is a fight or that there isn't a fight.

The problem is that when there is a fight, the fight mechanics are flawed.

Like i said, when you give X kit to a class, there should be Y tools that will counter the said kit.

In BDO some classes got the tools and some classes don't.

Some classes even have both the kit and the tools.

This is the problem with this game and developers refuse to fix it.

Instead they create more problems by releasing even more broken classes to the game every few months.

So with that being said, BDO could have been a very good game, but developers don't want to make it a good game, they just smoke weed and release some new broken Sh. . or even buff the class they like to play on their day offs.

Last Edit : Mar 7, 2022, 19:50 (UTC)
# 174
On: Mar 7, 2022, 17:36 (UTC), Written by Prokaizer

That's not the point though.

The problem is not that there is a fight or that there isn't a fight.

The problem is that when there is a fight, the fight mechanics are flawed.

Like i said, when you give X kit to a class, there should be Y tools that will counter the said kit.

In BDO some classes got the tools and some classes don't.

Some classes even have both the kit and the tools.

This is the problem with this game and developers refuse to fix it.

Instead they create more problems by releasing even more broken classes to the game every few months.

So with that being said, BDO could have been a very good game, but developers don't want to make it a good game, they just smoke weed and release some new broken Sh. . or even buff the class they like to play on their day offs.

All right. The mechanics aren't the best, but I've seen worse than them. And I imagine that to improve the mechanics this might also need to change the game's engine. And if that is indeed correct, this means to improve mechanics and possibly even get rid of the desync this needs a whole new engine. It can take literally years to imrpove or perhaps a remake of the whole game. IMO it's not worth it.

Also I can't speak of every class which needs what. But what I can only tell is to just know your class strenghts and weaknesses. Basic knowledge.

And perhaps there are circumstances we don't understand. The questions should be: Why this or why that happens/happened? It's very easy to talk and whine. It's not easy to contribute these days.

Edit: I've never had a maehwa. But even if I did now and invested at least a day of total play time on the class, my opinions won't mean anything compared to someone, whom had played for at least several months for example or even longer.

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Last Edit : Mar 10, 2022, 17:19 (UTC)
# 176
On: May 17, 2021, 21:53 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

No BDO garners hate because the company behind the game doesn't care about the game. They want maxium profit and to put in minimal effort to get that profit. Everything they do is half assed and rushed with little to zero thought put into it. Take these forums for instance PA made them and moderates them and the state these forums are in right now is a clear sigh of how little PA actually gives a fuck about this game, about it community, and about anything besides making money. They'll do an emergency patch to fix the bleach dye in the cash shop, but a game breaking bug that suddenly makes a class unplayable ya we'll apply the fix for it in next week's patch, so deal with not being able to play the game on your main if your main is that class.

Isn't that the entire goal of a company? To maximize profit while minimizing effort? That's business, my dude. They're a business. They exist to make money. Keeping operational costs down while keeping profits stable or high is the goal. It is what it is. They need to fund their single player game somehow, yeah?

Last Edit : Mar 10, 2022, 17:35 (UTC)
# 177
On: May 18, 2021, 02:14 (UTC), Written by Eriane

If any of you have ever played other MMOs you would know how pretty much everyone views BDO. The mentality is "lol no, I'm not playing BDO again, it's toxic and a horrible game" which is a fair assessment. PA built this game to reward bad behavior and has hardly spent any effort into making it any better. This will not change, ever. I'm not saying people should go play another game, no... Far from it. But as everyone knows, just about every game mechanic in BDO is INTENDED to breed bad/toxic behavior and encourages griefing.

 

If you would pitch this game design idea to investors they would laugh at you and walk away. Why? Because no studio in their right mind would do this unless there was good reason. Cash cows or whales if you will. That's all that matters to PA. BDO is played mostly in Korea because koreans have the mentality that spending your paycheck on digital items is a good thing and if you don't, then why are you such a failure to not be able to afford so? It works in Korea but it doesn't quite work anywhere else just yet. Personally, korean mmo's aren't my thing after playing many of them. I do enjoy parts of them but they cannot compare to games like FF14 where the developers pour theirs oul to devlier an outstanding game with a compelling story.

 

The best thing you can do in BDO is just make a level 49 character and play as much as you can that way. There's no way you can compete against those who grinded for 3+ years and have hundreds of billions somehow, or well, the cash whales that just bought their RNG. At the end of the day, either you find your own path in this game or you don't because Pearl Abyss absolutely will not listen to what we, non-koreans have to say. Koreans want different things than us and that's fine I guess but they will never get many active players because of their anti-global attitude. Oh and before anyone says "but there was 59000 at one time, once! There's like 30,000 on average!" that's not a lot of people for what should be a AAA MMORPG.

Devs pour their soul into XIV? Are you serious? In what way? They've been trying their absolute best to make it as generic as possible to appeal to the fickle casual crowd that sub for a month, run the story that takes all of 3 hours for a major patch, and then unsubscribe. Like the producer himself said to. They don't put their souls into the generic story that is literally Dragonball Z levels bad. They don't put their souls into the look/design as they literally palette swap gear and mobs constantly. They don't put their souls into the gameplay as they have dumbed down every single job in terms of complexity and nuance. Dude, healers don't even have to heal anymore. They just DPS. What is the point of a healer when you make it so healers don't need to heal? Tanks don't need work for hate. They use one skill and that's it. Mobs on the tank forever. There is no support jobs or support skills anymore because it's "too hard to plan around". The jobs that did have support abilities have had them gutted and aren't even an option anymore. How is that "pouring their souls" into it? There is no customization. There is no decent character creator. The graphics are extremely poor for modern times. They literally take ideas that people have created as mods and implement them into their system. Without giving the mod creator credit or even saying their name. 1.23b, okay, I could see the devs pouring some effort into it. 4.0+? No. Just ... no. Homie, the dev team and the battle teams don't even play healer classes or tank classes. None of them. They all play DPS. They've admitted this. How can you develop something that you know nothing about and don't care about? Come on buddy. There's not a ton of difference between XIV and BDO. Except BDO has a world class battle system and graphics that hold up. XIV has a coherent, if not predictable and boring story with decent voice actors. 

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Last Edit : Mar 11, 2022, 06:11 (UTC)
# 179
On: Mar 7, 2022, 23:25 (UTC), Written by Kraturos

It's not just they are bad meh whatever.  That is one of the most critical aspects of the game.  Many of the problems and issues they are talking about do not require a new engine.

The classes don't need as much mobliity as they are given.  In other games things like dash are treated as powerful skills that are not granted to everyone and very limited.  BDO hands out dashes like they are candy and it's everywhere.

Some classes are not given proper mobility some are way to high.

There are no rules or logic to any of it either.  Lahn has high mobility, can fly, and gets an AOE grab.  Why?  There is only one honest answer.  Terrible developers.  I mean absolutely horrible game designers.  It doesn't make any sense.

This is already implemented in the game. Now regardless if you like it or not you'll have to deal with it, because I highly doubt it it's going to be gone.

On: Mar 11, 2022, 01:16 (UTC), Written by Kraturos

His issue was an explaination of how the mechanics are broken and there is no in game counter for mentioned mechanics.

Your response is Adapt and become better in time?

You don't adapt to broken games.  The only solution is to invalidate and break the entire game.  Such as not playing the class you want just so you can handle a situation which should not occur in the first place.  It doesn't resolve the original issue either.

Nor does PVP ever resolve the actual issue.  If ony 1 person is grinding an area it can never be occupied by another person.  Regardless of who is at the spot the issue is never fixed.

There is simply no need to limit virtual resources.   It will never lead to overall good design or a happy customer base.  Someone will always be the loser regardless of who.  This isn't even what PVP is meant for.

You don't kick people out of games in actual PVP.  That PVP is the game.  That is not what is occuring in these examples.

Completely wrong to every single word. "You don't adapt to broken games" is not an excuse. It's an inability to try and figure out the game and change the way you're playing. If you or anybody else is trying to play a game by any outdated means, he/she will always be outclassed. Because old tactics/strategies/gameplay become obsolete and no longer work as time goes. Changes happen and they can't be avoided be it for good or ill. They need a different approach so that one can improve and "walk with the time forward". I am not speaking about PvP specifically.

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