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Sensless PK and bounty
May 25, 2021, 08:42 (UTC)
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Last Edit : May 25, 2021, 14:47 (UTC)
# 11
Am 25. Mai 2021, 14:17 (UTC), von PlasticDK

Then what is the point?

If you want to kill other players, you can already do it on arsha.

If you want send people to jail, you can waste your time in the desert.

 

It not going to change anything if it's not rewarding for the serifs.

Then you should firstly read up on what we already know about the bounty system before making the claims.

It is a about gaining reputation.

Last Edit : May 25, 2021, 15:05 (UTC)
# 12

The only reason mass killing like this occur is because this game punishes us for doing WB on a toon we care about that also has gear. Simple put I stop bringing geared toons to WB a year ago when they added the nightmare version. An I Glade I did too cause the amount of time I've been one shot by a WB cause escaping the AOE was impossible or because the server lagged an the WB design cause me to die from an attack I didn't know was occurring due to the design I sure would of lost me billion in crystals an 100s of hours in XP if I brought my geared toon.

 

But this is also why Red players can get away with this because no one has gear to stop even a 180 AP toon from one shooting them.

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Last Edit : May 25, 2021, 19:58 (UTC)
# 13
On: May 25, 2021, 12:13 (UTC), Written by Zogmar

I was talking about sensless killing by a madman. How could he possibly benefit from stubbing scores of players not geared for a fight?

Without a fear of punishment there's no end to a crime.
Some real life criminals will only stop in the fear of capital punishment.

Yep, in another thread, I described issues in BDO as "Player's choice of action versus the consequences / reward for doing it".  And this thread falls right in line with that assessment.

 

Players who kill others like a "madman" will eventually lose enough Karma and go red.  Once a player is red, they can be attacked by anyone.  When PK'd, the red player can lose combat EXP, crystals (upwards of 300 mil for some crystals), and possibly item degradation (imagine degrading from PEN to TET...that's like a 14 billion silver loss).

 

Some players enjoy playing as reds, and IMO, is a viable way to play the game should someone want to.  It fits within this sandbox dynamic of BDO and has been available since day 1 of the Karma System.  Maybe punishments for being red can be improved.

 

IMO, being sent to jail should be available in all areas, not just the desert.  I imagine if a player goes red in Duvencrune and had to escape jail in Valencia, that time spent alone would help deter a lot of reckless PK.  Could be a good start!

Last Edit : May 26, 2021, 07:17 (UTC)
# 14

It use to be that if you went red at a world boss, you were just asking to lose crystals.  But vulpin is right that with the nightmare world bosses, pretty much everyone is using alts at world bosses these day unless you have a war dec up and heading to garmoth.  One of the reason that people flag up at world bosses these days is because the ones who do take their mains there feel they are being leeched from by people who have alts there.  Some are of course doing it because they want to see people get mad...like it really matters anyways.  Oh they killed me...free teleport back to town it is.

Last Edit : May 26, 2021, 18:22 (UTC)
# 15
On: May 25, 2021, 08:42 (UTC), Written by Zogmar

I undestand the legitimacy of PvP and PK in BDO.
Recent trend emerged in the World boss areas. Mass PK after a Boss is defeated for no obvious reason.
Is this something that copies the mass shooting in a public places in the real life?
Mad kids getting a kick out of it?

This phenomenon have to have a counter measure: a bounty system.
Many players geared for PvE can't fight a madman but will contribute to his demise.

Can we have a bounty system, PA, please?

This is a video game and you shouldn't compare it to real life tragedies.

 

Combat is part of the game, so is killing other players. They do so because it's fun, and tests out their abilities fair or not. A bounty system has been implemented before, but people never really cared about it. Perma red players have workarounds for their gear and understand the risk in fighting.

 

10 million is chump change, and worth nothing in the endgame. I can get 10m in 2 mins, and others can get that much in 1 minute. Judging by your posts it seems like you're a new player and haven't adapted to the game and it's history.

Last Edit : May 26, 2021, 18:23 (UTC)
# 16
On: May 25, 2021, 08:42 (UTC), Written by Zogmar

I undestand the legitimacy of PvP and PK in BDO.
Recent trend emerged in the World boss areas. Mass PK after a Boss is defeated for no obvious reason.
Is this something that copies the mass shooting in a public places in the real life?
Mad kids getting a kick out of it?

This phenomenon have to have a counter measure: a bounty system.
Many players geared for PvE can't fight a madman but will contribute to his demise.

Can we have a bounty system, PA, please?

Lemme ask you something. Why do you care if u get killed once?

 

You loose nothing. Respawn to town or node and continue your life?

 

Tbf I could understand complains about PvP if ppl would actually loosing something like in AA players could steal your trade stuff etc but in BDO so what if you get killed?

Last Edit : May 26, 2021, 20:03 (UTC)
# 17
On: May 26, 2021, 18:23 (UTC), Written by Hypothermia

Lemme ask you something. Why do you care if u get killed once?

 

You loose nothing. Respawn to town or node and continue your life?

 

Tbf I could understand complains about PvP if ppl would actually loosing something like in AA players could steal your trade stuff etc but in BDO so what if you get killed?

I stand by this position firmly:

 

If a player cannot successfully defend a spot against an aggressor(s), then that spot, on that channel, at that time, is not for them.  They should be grinding another roto more suited to their gear and PvP skill.

 

No one "owns" a spot, and no one is "entitled" to a spot either.  Spots are wide open.  Free for all.  Survival of the fittest.  If you can't defend the spot, it's not for you.  Go somewhere else.

Last Edit : May 26, 2021, 23:43 (UTC)
# 18
On: May 26, 2021, 20:02 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

I stand by this position firmly:

 

If a player cannot successfully defend a spot against an aggressor(s), then that spot, on that channel, at that time, is not for them.  They should be grinding another roto more suited to their gear and PvP skill.

 

No one "owns" a spot, and no one is "entitled" to a spot either.  Spots are wide open.  Free for all.  Survival of the fittest.  If you can't defend the spot, it's not for you.  Go somewhere else.

so in your opinion.  If someone can't defend their spot on grass beetles, they should leave?  why should someone leave simply because they die defending themselves?  Is that in the TOS somewhere?

Last Edit : May 27, 2021, 02:48 (UTC)
# 19
On: May 26, 2021, 23:43 (UTC), Written by Columba

so in your opinion.  If someone can't defend their spot on grass beetles, they should leave?  why should someone leave simply because they die defending themselves?  Is that in the TOS somewhere?

It's just a position I stand behind.  You're free to hold whatever you want.  It's a sandbox-y game in many ways, game doesn't tell us these things, the players come up with it.

 

Try coming up with a more realistic example than fighting over grass beetles and maybe a more honest discussion can take place.  Thanks.

 

"why should someone leave simply because they die defending themselves?"

Quote:  If a player cannot successfully defend a spot against an aggressor(s), then that spot, on that channel, at that time, is not for them.  They should be grinding another roto more suited to their gear and PvP skill.

 

This is not to say I demand or expect losers to leave.  Do you, boo boo.  As long as you're not messing with me, we're fine.  For me, if I'm PK'd while grinding, I'll come back and fight -- to see if I stand a chance.  If I do stand a chance, IE: can kill them, I'll keep coming back to defend the spot.  If I simply do not stand a chance, like, going 0/10 or something, I leave.  Rather not waste my time fighting that and find another channel / rotation.  Can't win 'em all -- Learn to lose with grace.  Sore losers are just sore losers, not calling you one, however.  I grew up playing basketball, boxing, volleyball and other sports, so we'll probably hold different positions on that if you never played any competitive sport that includes sweat, bruises, blood and sometimes tears.

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