Hi all (☉_☉)

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Are you telling us that provocation doesn't exist?

And again, as you seem to carefully "misunderstand" what is the problem here, I'll explain it to you very clearly so that you will never be able to use such a fallacy to derail the topic.

The problem here is not the use of bodythrowing to protect a spot. As I said many times, I don't see any harm in using every possible means

when it comes to the protection of a spot, if one decides to take over your spot through owpvp or any other methods, he should be ready to see you use every possible tools to defend yourself.

BUUUUUT, here, the main problem here is that someone can also try to use it to take the spot you were on first, or even simply try to annoy you as much as he can.

I REPEAT, its not about defending your spot with it, but really using it hoping that it will one way or another push you out of the spot, because you lost all your karma or because you get simply fed up with this attitude.

ONCE MORE, it's all about the excessive use of bodythrowing to attack or bother another player...

Now, how would you solve that? Even if you do not fall in this trap, why would someone be allowed to endlessly try to bother you without getting even a warning or something?

Since you speak about provocation, players are then free, so have all mental and physical ability, to not bite, therefore karmabombing doesn't exist and its the entier fault of the one biting / not stopping the pk in time.

For once that's something honest.

As several players implied karmabombing is real are blaming the person they pk for their karma loss. Which is absolutely dishonest ( at best )

No i misunderstand nothing, as i questioned the -karmabombing- term's core BS logic ( and somes person turned to be very angry because of that )= blaming other not agreeing to leave a spot after pk & because  -you- end with no karma after several pk as -you- are entilted to use it as if it was a mean to let you rule over a grind spot. While its absolutely not.

There is a multiple problem here.

- First you really need to acknowledge that BDO is a open world game only made of open world grind spot and for a lot of different player. It also promote conflict far more than cooperation. You will necessary end with -rules flaw- allowing somes players to -grief- ( how you define grief doesn't matter, as it will be different for a lot of person )

You just CANT avoid this at see how game is setup. You neither can't solve a subjective grief definiton situation, otherwise every single ones also should be solved.

I said that to somebody else : if we listen to you, we should listen to everyone else. No one here is special enough to decide for everyone -how things should be-

( UNLESS you want to have arsha rules be changed, as it cater only a so small % of the player base, it would be easier for that small % agree on particular change )

- Second In a game nearly only ruled by gearscore and p2w you just CANT request to give any single edge to the pk. Or it will give too much edge to the players using it over others, and the game -progresion- will be ruled by the ~10% ( see last year PA global GS stat ) players above 600GS, do this and BDO is dead in no time as it will necessary create a lot (more) toxicity. Reasons why New Worlds totaly removed free pk.

Add, BDO isnt at all a game only catering the -pk- crowd

- thrid : If you bite and are not -smarter- (not)sorry to not be sorry, but that's your fault. I have & had no problem to deal with players trying to be annoying. So if i can, other also can, as i'am nothing this special. I just have no use of the pk as its not created to be used in such situation.

tl;dr : you would play the game the way it is, you would have no problem. Now if you play according a BDO fantasy of your, you will sure dislike that, and you do as you complain like now as things doesn't work the way you think it should work.

No game will cater your sole defintion and consideration about what's -annoying- / what -bother you- Or else all others grief / what -bother somebody- consideration also should be taken care of.

And you can turn around as much as you want, you problem remain : i cant pk as much as i want thoses i subjectively consider as annoying. And the answer will always be the same.

You still have 2 solutions : Create your own mmo or Buy PA and make them change the game according to your sole desire.

Can't wait for these DFS griefers to get hunted by sheriffs. And they will whine so hard. Game would be better without them, they think DFS is some integrated law into BDO, anoying and run around and duel for spot instead of just taking a free rota or swapping channel.

Can't wait for these DFS griefers to get hunted by sheriffs. And they will whine so hard. Game would be better without them, they think DFS is some integrated law into BDO, anoying and run around and duel for spot instead of just taking a free rota or swapping channel.

Can't wait for these DFS griefers to get hunted by sheriffs. And they will whine so hard. Game would be better without them, they think DFS is some integrated law into BDO, anoying and run around and duel for spot instead of just taking a free rota or swapping channel.

Hi all (☉_☉)

I think it is not necessary to say this, as it is quite obvious, but seeing that everyone is attacking each other because of having a different opinion we will have to remind you the following points:

- We have forum rules that everyone has to follow AT ALL TIMES.

• You can read the forum rules »Here«

- Reported posts ARE NOT automatically deleted (we might need to change that messages in the future).

• This means mass reporting a message just to troll someone or because you do not like someone, won't do anything to the post.

- If you do not respect other users on the forums, you will get a free vacation out from here.

• There is a certain limit on how many times you can be suspended from the forums, after that we are giving a permanent suspension.

Again, read the forum rules and clearly understand every point. We will not tolerate anyone insulting or personally attacking other users just because of a different opinion.

Ehy Cadry thanks for pitching in here; I must ask for clarification though.

The way I see it, us the established pvp community, are attempting to discuss the issue of karmabombing here, as well as understand the point of view as shared by some individuals. The issue for us is, we have no means to distinguish the reference point of these people, if they do not link their accounts.

Of course, all of us know and understand, that a player at lvl 56, has a very different world image as compared to one who is lvl 60 but PvE, and again someone who has played the game for 4 years.

Is it really a personal attack to request these people to link their accounts, so that we can better understand the background they are representing?

If that was what was perceived, then my sincere apologies, however I find this information to be vital for the discussion presented in this thread.

Thanks in advance,

Narohtatimearo

I think everyone has an equal right to provide their opinions.