Arsha was created, but like many said it dont fix the problem. Mostly because when you dont have regulated pvp in hot zones you mostly pvp and dont have to hunt mobs. So no profit. And if half of the servers becomes like Arsha hot spots probably will be ok due to the lower condence of players, but other zones would be empty. I personaly would prefer Arsha to be with karma and xp lost on pvp death, but I know Im minority.

 I also dont know if its majority or plurality, but I personaly hear a lot of complain in game, some streamers and ofc forum. Also since PA made oficial statement that they know about the problem I guess there must some numbers of complains.

Ok, so if Arsha was SUPPOSED to address the problem why not change it to fully address the problem vs inconvenience the rest of the playerbase with punitive changes that we don't want?  I don't get it.  Also, streamers tend to be well geared elitists - they don't represent the entire population, only a small portion of it.

Not only the high geared players are against karmabombing. And the idea is to have working karma system for everyone, weak and strong. Arsha dont has karmasystem. The same way we can made Arsha the way you want it and all other servers to have proper karma? Would you be ok ?

Also Im strongly against separating comunity in diferent servers. The game should have one play style. Otherwise we should have Arsha with no karma, Arsha with regulated PvP, server the way its now, PvE server, Lifeskill server and so on and so on. This dont look good at all.

Arsha is a place intended to address the anti so-called "karmabombing complaints."  It could have karma reinstalled with other measures if you like.  The game already has 4 play styles, so your point is moot: 1)Olvia; 2)Arsha; 3) Seasonal; and 4) Regular.

No I wouldn't be ok, because most of the proposals I've seen from the anti so-called "karmabombing" people punish innocent players who are minding their own business, interrupting no one - spawn timers, remove elion's tears, spawn at towns etc. 

And Arsha failed as PvPvE server becasue of it. Its good only for PvP. Also I dont count tutorials as game. So we have Regular and One Arsha.

And again we want a solution that works for everyone. Again, Im strongly against spawn timers, removing elions. Im very much for town spawn, xp lost on pvp and harsher penalty for Pkers.

So what are you saying here. That people should leave tutorial and get effortlessly farmed by higher geared players in a spot that is good for players with half their stats, and late bloomers to the game should only be able to grind at areas that are 1/4th they gear making at most 20 or 30 mil/hour? I mean do you guys even understand what y'all or imposing? I honestly don't think you guys understand what you are suggesting. You are basically suggesting that players that are under 620 GS have or in no guild have no place to play this game. And in my honest opinion that is wrong. More so if you guys actually want a healthy PvP scene. Which I person think you guys just want to kick most of the players out of the game so you guys can chest thump being the last players left playing the game.

No. Nothing like that. You come up with something that is nothing close to reality. The only problematic spots are potions spots on Arsha. On normal servers I grind on alts with 240- 261 AP which is the gear you get after tutorial. And yes sometimes you meet other people most of them dont bother, some times you outgrind other people some times they outgrind you. Some times you PvP for spot. Most of the time with people around that GS. And in rare cases you met realy geared people that oneshots you. But those are rare becasue most gerared people are on Arsha, Elvia and other top spots that a new players have no place to be.

 And if you want to finisht tutorial and go to end game spots and kill every players you clearly dont know that BDO is progression game. Slow progression, that you need time to progress. If you want instant top gear and max leve, this is not the game for you.

Also Im under 620 GS, and can say BDO is great place for chill grinding and fun PvP.

And Arsha failed as PvPvE server becasue of it. Its good only for PvP. Also I dont count tutorials as game. So we have Regular and One Arsha.

And again we want a solution that works for everyone. Again, Im strongly against spawn timers, removing elions. Im very much for town spawn, xp lost on pvp and harsher penalty for Pkers.

Sure, how about we offer a new server with regulated pvp like you want, and everyone starts over from zero? You wouldn't want to keep your gear advantage you received while benefitting from the "karma bombing" threat now would you? If not it would seem that you want an advantage and a change of the rules now that you are the one capable of killing people and being affected by the karma loss.

The question is rhetorical because no one here is going to get a change like that and negotiating back and forth between each other like we're going to hammer out a deal is wishful thinking. You aren't going to get a mutual consensus in the population and I wager a full 80% of the playerbase minimum, and thats being very conservative, would laugh at the thought of higher geared players being able to control a grind/quest spot on normal servers.

The karma is set up like that to protect players from wanton pking and how it inconveniences higher gear players and their agenda is irrelevant. It isn't going to happen. Arsha was the compromise they offered semi-pks who didn't want the risk associated with the gameplay. I've read people saying that the complaining has been around for at least a few years now. I mean at some point it's more productive to accept objective reality and change your approach to the game in regards to killing people, play on Arhsa, or find a game with the type of pvp that you want.

Well, I disagree.  We're already under different systems for different play styles.

If you are for elion's tears, then the issue of spawning to town is a moot point in many cases.  However, if loss to pvp in a guild vs guild fight requires you to spawn to town vs the node, MANY people will be furious.  So, I don't think town spawns will ever work.

I am DEAD SET against exp losses from pvp.  This would open up MASSIVE GRIEFING.  Imagine people being hunted down just for the sick and twisted joy of making them lose experience.  This game would lose a large chunk of players.  If you don't think it will happen, you don't understand the North American players.  There is a sizable portion that enjoys doing things like that.

Like I said I dont have top gear. And yes If they change the rules and everyone has to start over again I would start from zero without even thinking about it. BDO is hobby to me, game to make me chill and have fun with PvP. Specialy now with season servers and so many gifts.

But I know that many people will just quit if such thing is done.

The fuss about karmabombing now is because they actualy changing the karma system and seems the only problem left will be the karmabombing. Yes there are other problems that are mostly going to be adressed. Sadly there might be othere problems coming.

So its a good chance for a ghange.

 Town spawn could work only in owpvp and PK and only after second or third kill. And if there is stop timer for scrolls it wont be bad at all.

Ive played a game for years that when you die you get to town and loose all buffs - Im still alive ;) Ooh and loose xp and even delevel. But xp lost was conected to xp recieving on level. For example in BDO if you die at lvl 56 you lose 4% and if you die at lvl 62 you lose 0,4%. Which is not something crusial. And also no xp loss at GvG and NW. But thats hard exatly because I understand the NA players. And like I said before palyers nowdays are not like 10 and 15 ago. It might be rough but snowflake term is there for a reason.

 So the discussion is for that - to find a middleground.