It's sad to be level 65 with the mindset of a casual player who can't accept defeat. Older gamers knew first wave of videogames and learnt to deal with game over screens. Nowadays, "gamers" can't accept the fact they might be losers and even further while being losers they still think they're entitled to competition rewards without needing to compete.

Why is it sad?  Define defeat.  If I am grinding without bothering anyone and get pked, pop rezz pots and fight, I get pvp experience and a lot of hilarious fun.  I don't leave until I am finished, and nothing can make me do so.  It's a principle - don't get bullied.  The other side always leaves first.  That's not defeat in my book, lol, but you do you.  You can't change how I play.

I am not entitled to anything.  I play the game as I want, and I dgaf if you do the same.  Live and let live.

At level 65 you will lost 0.04 or even 0.01. that was the idea you missed. But like Smileybones say today gamers dont like competition, they want progress with zero challenge.

Here is a link with new Karma System:
https://www.blackdesertfoundry.com/global-lab-updates-7th-may-2021/#Bounty_System

That's 6 weeks old and it's not a change karma system.  It's an additional system.  I don't see why I should lose ANY exp for losing in pvp.  I don't initiate fights.  Nothing to do with competition

It is a change. And its a game change. You dont see why should you lose xp because you dont see the big picture but only from and for your pov.

You dont see that xp loss could lower PKs. Think about it, if you know that you could lose xp if you loose the fight, and then if you are hunted by the sherrifs and loose way more xp, you will think twice before PKing. PK will be realy neccery. Mob feeding wont exist and the only problem will be karmabombing. And for example a person like me who dont like to take spots from other people, who like fare fights will be forced to grief to keep or win the spot. Like I said there must be balance with karma system.

See funny thing is, newer gamers I play with don't have problems with losing the good fight. But the fights here in BDO more so with DFS are rarely good fights. Ususally the aggressor knows they are going to win that fight be it huge class or gear difference. And I think that's what most players these days have a issue with. More so when Player A can through luck go from 500 GS to 600+ GS in under 30 days from huge drops, and Player B can just in a 30 or 60 day period spend $250,000 go from zero to 700+ GS, and Player C can grind for a total of 3.000 hours with a few cash shop purchases and only be around 580 GS because their drop and enhancement luck is non-exsistent. Of course Player C is going to have some issues being pentalize from losing to Players' A and B. And that's before we even talk about class imbalance in 1v1s.

Most of the other MMOs I plays getting good is about increasing your mechanical skills and a tiny bit of gear progression. In BDO it's the reverse hence why it's a very niche MMO.  I understand some of you are geared now. And want to just use said gear to negatively impact weaker players. But no smart game Dev will allow such a multiplayer environment. Where PvP can be forced on nearly anynbody at anytime. Where gear gap is the difference of 500% power difference. That would be silly at best and self destructive in most cases. Just look at all the other P2W RNG Gear based MMOs that took that road. They have less population than games that are actually disconnecting players even 10 minutes. That's the road you guys asking for BDO to have.

You know what I'll level with you guys. I personally believe more people would be all less penalties for mass PKers. If the Devs of BDO adapted either Eve Online's crime and punishment system with High, Low, and No security grind spots. Or if the Devs of BDO actually made it so if a 700 GS player decide to enter a 500 GS zone. The game automatically lowers the players total PvP GS to like 520 GS. At that point I think much less people would have issues with losing the ablity to grind at that spot.

Those paragraphs fall instantly apart as soon as you apply a basic reality check: the whole playerbase isn't concentrated on a single gind spot.

Case in point: player A has the gear for Mirumok, player B has the gear for StarsEnd and player C has the gear for Oluns. Those players will never meet. Since there is no reason for them to go to grind spots where they don't belong.

Additionnally anyone who has been watching Fearfull creep on the forums for years probably noticed the inflation with his dramatic cash shop requirements: last year a player needed to pay $10,000 to gear up and today it's a quarter million dollars. I look forward he updates his drama next year by stating with a straight face a new players need to spend a million dollars on BDO to catch up.

Again, there is no 700gs players in 500gs zones, just stop lying already to make excuses for you being bad.

i've read everything and you say the same thing as a lot of other person.

You want to have pk have more -power- than currently, and my answer covered everything you -consider as unfair- as you play a game where pk isnt meant for you to rule over others for reasons talked about. ( how you want to name that does not matter )

- No rules is perfect and can't be perfect when it cater different kind of person, given the pve server request threads a lot of person don't play BDO for the pk. You then can't rely on it to regulate anything.

- you have no idea how the infamy / sheriff will impact the game, you only assume, its not to take into consideration until its released.

- Its "endless" because you are entilted to use -pk- as mean to make someone leave when the game pretty clearly tell you its not permited.

You then should be surprised to not have the result you want when you use something a way its not designed for.

BDO don't allow you to have edge over others via the pk system. that's very simple, and that doesn't matter how you didnt read / skipped wrote explanation from the answer you quoted

PA doesn't go -your- way since a very very very long time.

That's why i told you that it seem BDO isn't the game you would want to play.

BDO never was otherwise since they xp loss on pk death. PA picked their side at this moment (+ when they kept reduce pk impact on others players ), you ( and somes others players ) only are playing a game not being BDO, necessary you end disapointed as it doesn't match your perception.

There is nothing to do in this situation, either you play BDO, either its finaly not BDO you want to play because PA dont grant the power to the pk you expect. 🤷‍♂️

Its necessary for you to read carefully.

BDO isnt controled by the 10% above 600GS ( unless you speak about node wars & siege, but who care they have their own separate world from everyone else ) because BDO doesn't cater to the pk crowd.

BUT it would be if you give pk all the power you wish for. Like a lot don't go to arsha because they just cannot -compet- with the top geared players, and what you wish for is doing that for all channel.

Mmmmh... No matter what, I'm not really fond of permanent losses, be it exp, crystals, gear degrading. 

I think jail is the best for killers ; heavy pve debuff, suspended buffs and the ability to freely switch channels for 5 minutes for victims after the second death ; and the complete removal of mob feeding.

It needs more precision for sure, but here is what I would see as a good basis for a compromise. 

Yea those will work too. If there is no solution for karmabombing I would suggest something like that for PKers. Or unability to trade and use npc for certain time. The truth is that there are lot of options to improve Karma System, to make it balanced and more involving. Again im waiting for sheriff system to see how it work and to what it gona lead.