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Shai most expensive Class, weakest performance.
Jun 10, 2021, 14:02 (UTC)
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# 11
On: Jun 11, 2021, 20:40 (UTC), Written by Teze
100% I didnt even go into "BiS" gear just "Starter level" (tet dp accessory etc) ---- if we estimate the entire cost of a max gear shai, considering the PEN DP accessories as well, its WAAAAAAY higher than any class. kudos
I am a DP build as well, but lets not get ridiculous here. If you want BiS gear for AP, it is definitely going to cost more than BiS for DP. Pen ethereals are 57.5b ea, pen distos are 120b. Pen Hesus rings will likely cost you areound 150m each, which is cheaper than the less effeective cadry at 14.5b, and the AP Tungrad and Ruins rings, at 94b and 70b respectively. A pen deboreka neck doesnt even bear contemplating, and it is likely noone will ever sell one, and a pen ogre or laytenn is 84.5b. A pen river neck is only 45b. Lastly, belts. A pen centaur is 31b, a pen tungrad is 84.5b and valtarra is 48b. So if you add up all those accessory prices, youre looking at...220b for a DP build that goes cadries for some reason, and 192b for one that uses Hesus, compared to 512.5 for the cheaper option of ruins and valtarras, or 597b for the more expensive tungrad rings and belt.
Additionally, you commented you ahve to spend a whole 2b on a Resplendant Protection stone, while an AP build has to spend 9 on a vell's. A green offhand (some classes have to make a militia instead, which could be even more expensive) is only 2b compared to a 17b boss offhand. In no way does any DP build have more to pay than an equivalent enhancement level AP build, we pay about 40% as much. While it is true that we spend money on our DP sets AS WELL as AP, nobody is forcing you to do nodewars and make a DP build. We make our DP builds because we WANT to, just like you play shai because you want to. If you do not like the current sitation, something has to give. either play a different class or accept that shai is designed to be incredibly tanky with amazing group buffs and debuffs, and accept the cost that comes with that group fight ability.
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# 12
On: Jun 11, 2021, 22:01 (UTC), Written by Frozenfist
I am a DP build as well, but lets not get ridiculous here. If you want BiS gear for AP, it is definitely going to cost more than BiS for DP. Pen ethereals are 57.5b ea, pen distos are 120b. Pen Hesus rings will likely cost you areound 150m each, which is cheaper than the less effeective cadry at 14.5b, and the AP Tungrad and Ruins rings, at 94b and 70b respectively. A pen deboreka neck doesnt even bear contemplating, and it is likely noone will ever sell one, and a pen ogre or laytenn is 84.5b. A pen river neck is only 45b. Lastly, belts. A pen centaur is 31b, a pen tungrad is 84.5b and valtarra is 48b. So if you add up all those accessory prices, youre looking at...220b for a DP build that goes cadries for some reason, and 192b for one that uses Hesus, compared to 512.5 for the cheaper option of ruins and valtarras, or 597b for the more expensive tungrad rings and belt.
Additionally, you commented you ahve to spend a whole 2b on a Resplendant Protection stone, while an AP build has to spend 9 on a vell's. A green offhand (some classes have to make a militia instead, which could be even more expensive) is only 2b compared to a 17b boss offhand. In no way does any DP build have more to pay than an equivalent enhancement level AP build, we pay about 40% as much. While it is true that we spend money on our DP sets AS WELL as AP, nobody is forcing you to do nodewars and make a DP build. We make our DP builds because we WANT to, just like you play shai because you want to. If you do not like the current sitation, something has to give. either play a different class or accept that shai is designed to be incredibly tanky with amazing group buffs and debuffs, and accept the cost that comes with that group fight ability.
Firstly, I want to point because you may not have read the entire thread, but personally, my gear is in a great spot i can do full DP over 500 or AP 285 I did the work, I have good stuff maybe not the best. but still. pretty solid.
That bieng said if I sold all my DP stuff I could reroll and pretty much hit 301 or 305 on a regular class.
Most shai players cant get there.. Thats what i see as the issue actually.
When it come to node wars and flipping it like "ITS YOUR CHOICE TO PLAY NODE WARS" mmm technicaly while your right, its really the end game in BDO. If ppl just simply want to log in and chat with friends, thats fine too, but other than that there is no other end game in BDO. thats just how it is.
The point here is that when comparing to other classes, actually ANY class, Shai is more work for less reward, slower grinding, and more gear set variations than any class, crystal combinations, etc etc. There should be something done to rectify this issue.
I know I've done the work first hand over years...
I dont care if you want to white knight bdo thats you. Go hard if you want. thats fine, enjoy the time you spend doing so. It doesn't change the fact that every person who plays shai is handicapped from the start, and generally the class has not been developed or improved much to make it good. The developers spend alot of time on new classes instead.. thats what they choose to do.
The fact of the entire post is that a well Geared end game shai needs 2 sets of gear, and cannot tag talent/awaken thus the cost of said class is much higher than any class.
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Jun 11, 2021, 22:17 (UTC)
# 13
On: Jun 11, 2021, 22:01 (UTC), Written by Frozenfist
I am a DP build as well, but lets not get ridiculous here. If you want BiS gear for AP, it is definitely going to cost more than BiS for DP. Pen ethereals are 57.5b ea, pen distos are 120b. Pen Hesus rings will likely cost you areound 150m each, which is cheaper than the less effeective cadry at 14.5b, and the AP Tungrad and Ruins rings, at 94b and 70b respectively. A pen deboreka neck doesnt even bear contemplating, and it is likely noone will ever sell one, and a pen ogre or laytenn is 84.5b. A pen river neck is only 45b. Lastly, belts. A pen centaur is 31b, a pen tungrad is 84.5b and valtarra is 48b. So if you add up all those accessory prices, youre looking at...220b for a DP build that goes cadries for some reason, and 192b for one that uses Hesus, compared to 512.5 for the cheaper option of ruins and valtarras, or 597b for the more expensive tungrad rings and belt.
Additionally, you commented you ahve to spend a whole 2b on a Resplendant Protection stone, while an AP build has to spend 9 on a vell's. A green offhand (some classes have to make a militia instead, which could be even more expensive) is only 2b compared to a 17b boss offhand. In no way does any DP build have more to pay than an equivalent enhancement level AP build, we pay about 40% as much. While it is true that we spend money on our DP sets AS WELL as AP, nobody is forcing you to do nodewars and make a DP build. We make our DP builds because we WANT to, just like you play shai because you want to. If you do not like the current sitation, something has to give. either play a different class or accept that shai is designed to be incredibly tanky with amazing group buffs and debuffs, and accept the cost that comes with that group fight ability.
Firstly, I want to point because you may not have read the entire thread, but personally, my gear is in a great spot i can do full DP over 500 or AP 285 I did the work, I have good stuff maybe not the best. but still. pretty solid.
That bieng said if I sold all my DP stuff I could reroll and pretty much hit 301 or 305 on a regular class.
Most shai players cant get there.. Thats what i see as the issue actually.
When it come to node wars and flipping it like "ITS YOUR CHOICE TO PLAY NODE WARS" mmm technicaly while your right, its really the end game in BDO. If ppl just simply want to log in and chat with friends, thats fine too, but other than that there is no other end game in BDO. thats just how it is.
The point here is that when comparing to other classes, actually ANY class, Shai is more work for less reward, slower grinding, and more gear set variations than any class, crystal combinations, etc etc. There should be something done to rectify this issue.
I know I've done the work first hand over years...
I dont care if you want to white knight bdo thats you. Go hard if you want. thats fine, enjoy the time you spend doing so. It doesn't change the fact that every person who plays shai is handicapped from the start, and generally the class has not been developed or improved much to make it good. The developers spend alot of time on new classes instead.. thats what they choose to do.
The key point of the entire post is that a well Geared end game shai needs 2 sets of gear, and cannot tag talent/awaken thus the cost of said class is much higher than any class. That no white knight can ever deny.
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Jun 12, 2021, 13:12 (UTC)
# 14
On: Jun 11, 2021, 22:01 (UTC), Written by Frozenfist
I am a DP build as well, but lets not get ridiculous here. If you want BiS gear for AP, it is definitely going to cost more than BiS for DP. Pen ethereals are 57.5b ea, pen distos are 120b. Pen Hesus rings will likely cost you areound 150m each, which is cheaper than the less effeective cadry at 14.5b, and the AP Tungrad and Ruins rings, at 94b and 70b respectively. A pen deboreka neck doesnt even bear contemplating, and it is likely noone will ever sell one, and a pen ogre or laytenn is 84.5b. A pen river neck is only 45b. Lastly, belts. A pen centaur is 31b, a pen tungrad is 84.5b and valtarra is 48b. So if you add up all those accessory prices, youre looking at...220b for a DP build that goes cadries for some reason, and 192b for one that uses Hesus, compared to 512.5 for the cheaper option of ruins and valtarras, or 597b for the more expensive tungrad rings and belt.
Additionally, you commented you ahve to spend a whole 2b on a Resplendant Protection stone, while an AP build has to spend 9 on a vell's. A green offhand (some classes have to make a militia instead, which could be even more expensive) is only 2b compared to a 17b boss offhand. In no way does any DP build have more to pay than an equivalent enhancement level AP build, we pay about 40% as much. While it is true that we spend money on our DP sets AS WELL as AP, nobody is forcing you to do nodewars and make a DP build. We make our DP builds because we WANT to, just like you play shai because you want to. If you do not like the current sitation, something has to give. either play a different class or accept that shai is designed to be incredibly tanky with amazing group buffs and debuffs, and accept the cost that comes with that group fight ability.
Why even make a post when you obviously didn't read the OP's post? Is it really so hard to say....maybe JUST maybe something is wrong with a class that needs two distinct sets to play the game? Maybe? Shai isn't designed to be tanky, EVERYONE IS TANKY with a dp set. This isn't unique to shai. The difference is that in the pvp aspects of the game other players want Shais to be DP because their AP role is absolutely useless.
No other class really has a duo role that requires two sets of gear. Then on top of that you have the issue with the SOL not being a tradable weapon nor can you item copy it. All of that means Shai costs a crap load of money to play compared to other classes, all the while being significantly worse than all of them.
I really get sick and tired of people like you telling someone if they don't like it play another class. How about PA fix the mother f**king class issues? How about that one?
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Jun 12, 2021, 13:49 (UTC)
# 15
On: Jun 11, 2021, 22:01 (UTC), Written by Frozenfist
I am a DP build as well, but lets not get ridiculous here. If you want BiS gear for AP, it is definitely going to cost more than BiS for DP. Pen ethereals are 57.5b ea, pen distos are 120b. Pen Hesus rings will likely cost you areound 150m each, which is cheaper than the less effeective cadry at 14.5b, and the AP Tungrad and Ruins rings, at 94b and 70b respectively. A pen deboreka neck doesnt even bear contemplating, and it is likely noone will ever sell one, and a pen ogre or laytenn is 84.5b. A pen river neck is only 45b. Lastly, belts. A pen centaur is 31b, a pen tungrad is 84.5b and valtarra is 48b. So if you add up all those accessory prices, youre looking at...220b for a DP build that goes cadries for some reason, and 192b for one that uses Hesus, compared to 512.5 for the cheaper option of ruins and valtarras, or 597b for the more expensive tungrad rings and belt.
Additionally, you commented you ahve to spend a whole 2b on a Resplendant Protection stone, while an AP build has to spend 9 on a vell's. A green offhand (some classes have to make a militia instead, which could be even more expensive) is only 2b compared to a 17b boss offhand. In no way does any DP build have more to pay than an equivalent enhancement level AP build, we pay about 40% as much. While it is true that we spend money on our DP sets AS WELL as AP, nobody is forcing you to do nodewars and make a DP build. We make our DP builds because we WANT to, just like you play shai because you want to. If you do not like the current sitation, something has to give. either play a different class or accept that shai is designed to be incredibly tanky with amazing group buffs and debuffs, and accept the cost that comes with that group fight ability.
Pretty much this.
OP creates an issue for himself, then coplain about how expensive his mistake is.
You did chose to have two sets. There are other players on other classes who builds multiple sets for whathever reason aswell.... noone cares. It's your own choice, deal with it.
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Jun 12, 2021, 16:03 (UTC)
# 16
On: Jun 10, 2021, 16:02 (UTC), Written by Catastigma
Shai is not a martial classe.
AoA Shai fight are just a meme nothing else. you must stop taking things seriously.
you play differently depending on the class. the shai is not a grinder solo. your AP is less important when your job is to double the dps of the other 2 players.
Not to mention that the grind is not mandatory. you can make your billions in lifeskill easly.
There is always a downside to playing an X class. That's what makes a class. The advantages and disadvantages.
It is better to emphasize the benefits rather than wanting to be like everyone else.
150 Mastery is worth 60 billion. ( Manos pen jewel).
Easy fix, while preserving the original idea about Shai. the exp boost is clearly to be renew too. 300% It is not much. A zero is clearly missing.
This makes no sense.
Only four of the class skills are life skill related, the rest are combat and buff related. I don't know about you homie, but the basic math says she is not a life skill class but a combat class with group buff capabilities.
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Jun 12, 2021, 16:05 (UTC)
# 17
On: Jun 12, 2021, 13:49 (UTC), Written by PlasticDK
Pretty much this.
OP creates an issue for himself, then coplain about how expensive his mistake is.
You did chose to have two sets. There are other players on other classes who builds multiple sets for whathever reason aswell.... noone cares. It's your own choice, deal with it.
You don't know what you are talking about, go back to the DK related threads.
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Jun 12, 2021, 17:15 (UTC)
# 18
I think u are setting endgame DP builds way to low. I just counted my gear worth and I come to 327b. (Full Pen Armor C20, Duo fallen God, Pen Belt, Pen River, Tet Etherial, Pen Hesus) And yes, most DP accessories is pretty cheap, but most u wont be able to buy...so its super hard to calculate those numbers anyway, but I went with the market prices and with 150m for the Hesus rings each (and no worth of the FS)
ppl keep forgetting that C20 on armor is a requirement. Also I only counted armor, cause I forget that we have weapons and they are super cheap....and Pen Sol doesn't have a number to put here...so don't know how to count that.
Also there is no DP handout accessories like the Capotia stuff.
And yes, a AP build is still way more expensive, but the point is, that a Shai needs both, so any Silver spend on DP gear is something a full AP player wont need to pay.
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Jun 12, 2021, 17:32 (UTC)
# 19
On: Jun 12, 2021, 16:03 (UTC), Written by Vanraven
This makes no sense.
Only four of the class skills are life skill related, the rest are combat and buff related. I don't know about you homie, but the basic math says she is not a life skill class but a combat class with group buff capabilities.
it's your opinion, not a fact. Shai is intended to be a non-martial support classe specialized in Lifeskill.
Shai uses Florang, a giant boomerang, as her main weapon for combat. An alchemical sub-weapon, Vitclari, is used to protect herself and allies. Due to her small size, she is fast and nimble when evading and attacking enemies. Specializing in life skills, Shai starts off with Professional levels in Alchemy and Gathering. Source.
Also shai was originally supposed to only be able to mount a Donkey. And the Donkey Krogdalo gear give 
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I much prefer that the devs keep their original ideas with the shai and buff in the intended design direction.
It must be an ultra efficient game changing support(its currently the case) and be a lifeskill class.( <- this part need work)
His solo Grinding MUST be mediocre.
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Jun 12, 2021, 18:14 (UTC)
# 20
On: Jun 12, 2021, 17:24 (UTC), Written by Catastigma
it's your opinion, not a fact. Shai is intended to be a non-martial support classe specialized in Lifeskill.
Shai uses Florang, a giant boomerang, as her main weapon for combat. An alchemical sub-weapon, Vitclari, is used to protect herself and allies. Due to her small size, she is fast and nimble when evading and attacking enemies. Specializing in life skills, Shai starts off with Professional levels in Alchemy and Gathering. Source.
Also shai was originally supposed to only be able to mount a Donkey. And the Donkey Krogdalo gear give .
I much prefer that the devs keep their original ideas with the shai and buff in the intended design direction.
It must be an ultra efficient game changing support(its currently the case) and be a lifeskill class.( <- this part need work)
His solo Grinding MUST be mediocre.
How about using the official site description of Shai?
https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/GameInfo/Class?classType=17
There is no mention of it being a life skill class at all. Its just as I said, its a combat/support character. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and hope that you are smart. Because basic math shows that the class is not a life skill character. 4 skills out of roughly 40 skills does not make it a life skill class. I mean if you choose to believe that, then that is on you.
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